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Boat Handling / Re: P323 Boatspeed
« on: February 18, 2023, 10:17:54 AM »
Selene, thank you for the information.  I will use this to see how these data tools work with my P323, Independence!   Also not knowing if you're following this thread anymore, it somewhat perplexes me in regards to some other threads about pointing ability of the P323 and until I get more first-hand feedback from my P323, the polar speed chart (as well as the table); these imply the boat will point at least 45 degrees with modest performance!?  Others imply that 110 degrees is best tacking capability, which I am assuming is maximum performance (speed) verses beating off a lee shore capability?  I also assume the wave/wind work against making ground too...  Thanks again for the data charts!

Boat Handling / Re: Broad reach sailing in high wind and following seas
« on: February 15, 2023, 09:28:55 AM »
Thanks for rule of thumb reefing!  I experienced at times heavy roll sailing while wing and wing, with 4-6 foot seas, on my first sail this past Thanksgiving (sailing my new purchase home).  Wind conditions were building and were between 15 - 17 kts.  The rolling was somewhat more my fault (from heavy steering) and with chasing shifting wind conditions while trying to pinch around a point.  I should have rigged a preventer to help with this the point of sail, but the rudder was very effective and boat quickly responded to keep my sails full - dicey at times, and there were some times the roll was very heavy!  I should have reefed...

General Discussion / Re: mast foot bracket.
« on: October 29, 2022, 08:24:59 PM »
Ed, I think this is the case for the boat I am buying; it looks painted with a high-quality paint too.  I will take a picture of it when I go back for the survey.  Mine is definitely steel and the rusting (superficial, at least at this point) is along a weld line - the rest of it 90% looks really good.  It could be associated with the bolting like yours, so I will take a closer look.  I may go ahead and have one fabricated out of aluminum like yours, it is a good idea.  Not sure if the fabricator needs it in hand to copy or is there a drawing/specs out there?  I would like to have one on the shelf for when I do pull the mast, but for now I will clean this one up and epoxy paint it as my first project when I get the boat home! Thanks for the fabricator as I have added them to my references!

New Member Introductions / Re: New Member/Owner
« on: October 29, 2022, 08:00:33 PM »
Thanks for the welcome and insights!  Ed I will keep an eye out for cbpsa activities, but with my hands full buying the boat and hopefully sailing her up here from the Rappahannock River before too much into December!  I do hope all goes well too - survey and sea trial is scheduled for Nov 10 and closing is Nov 18, then it wait for a weather window while I prepare her for the trip.  The previous owner is not much of a sailor so she did not get used a lot and appears to be more of a dock sider, day sailor if that.  So I am very focused on safety gear and essentials!  Ed I have read a lot of your modifications and will be reaching out as I start my journey with SV Independence (fingers crossed)!

Selene thanks for your assessment, which helps confirm my readings and belief in the design.  I love a fresh wind and weather sailing, but not too fond of the cold!  Good to know her wind and sea ability; I was reading about a P323 owner out in CA that was modifying his boat with some nice features, one of which was to have a forestay shroud just behind the jib shroud (roller furling genoa) to allow for higher wind conditions sailing since the roller furled genoa loses its lift when less than 75% (or there about). I read a little more about this from the boat builder of Shannon boats who discusses the conundrum of having a large genoa (170%) and a small one (120%) which limits performance on either end of the spectrum for each sail size, thus the second staysail (for heavy weather and storm weather too). It looks like a straightforward modification, and the stay shroud easily detaches and pulls out of the way for utilizing the genoa.  I like the idea and would consider it...

General Discussion / Re: mast foot bracket.
« on: October 25, 2022, 03:40:42 PM »
Dolce_Vita, Thanks for the fabricator that did your mast plate as I am not sure whether I need one... yet!?  I have what I believe to be superficial rust on mine when I inspected it.  Most of the plate still has what looks like epoxy paint from when it was blasted and repainted 5-6 years ago.  There may have been some welding rebuilding done on it as I was rubbing around on it and felt like there was some weld buildup from maybe where there was previous pitting.  However, I see you went with Aluminum; would this because of elimination of dissimilar metals?  How has yours been holding up and did you coat it with anything or anodize it?  in the meantime, before I pull the mast for a demanding reason, I will clean mine up and epoxy paint it to keep on top of its maintenance.  I am interested in your thoughts!?

New Member Introductions / New Member/Owner
« on: October 25, 2022, 03:22:48 PM »
Hello, all.  I am new to the owner's group and in the process of purchasing/closing on a 1980 P323.  I studied long and hard on boat designs that would keep me as small as possible (for purposes of maintenance, single handing (mostly), maximum creature comforts of a cruising design) but gives me the critical needs that I determined for myself: single handling, as large a galley as possible, sit-down chart table, hull design (modified keel with skeg rudder ), internal ballast, shower, deck to hull joint, decent big water performance specs, less than 5' draft, and desirable but not absolute was a quarter berth (my P323 doesn't have the option), deck bulwarks, new diesel, sail performance (mainly for crawling off a lee shore, and hove-to capability), and lastly a balance of glass/teak (not to look too sterile/plastic).  Well, I narrowed it down to a couple of American boats (although more European) and the P323 caught my eye and gave me most if not all of my needs and preferences!  This assessment has come after 50 years of sailing and finally understanding what I really want!  I will close on the boat after survey (not sure that I needed one after my inspection but thought why not since I plan on owning and keeping this boat until... my end) and sail it up the Chesapeake latter part of this November to her new home on the Sassafras River where we will hail from.  As with all personable relationships, she will be a labor of love (second to my first, who lets me have these toys), which I now look forward to interacting on the many problems to be solved that we all have that I have already started mining a couple of areas needing to be addressed from my inspection!  I already appreciate the SME heavy's that are readily connected to this forum with just about everything that gets posted here.  Thanks, and cheers to Pearson owners' association!  SV Independence

Michael, I am in the process of purchasing a 1980 P323 (new to forum) and with my initial inspection of my boat, I identified a broken bow tank/fitting.  So, your information with mfg. of a new tank got my attention, especially after reading about these tanks being non-repairable!  Although after reviewing your pictures, if I remember correctly the tank that I was looking at appeared to be a small tank at the bow (your picture looks like two tanks in tandem?) and not two tanks in tandem.  The bow tank has a hose connection at the bottom vee portion that was broken away/off, literally a small triangular portion of the tank's bulkhead (vertical plane) and encompassing the fitting.  I initially thought this would be an easy epoxy job to glue flat stock over the missing bulkhead and drill the new hole for the hose fitting (PS - thanks also for the Vetus reference for the inspection hole/clamp/cap, which also enlightened me to another problem/solution)?   The tank looks yellowish and appears brittle (since the triangular section "sheard" leaving a clean sharp edged triangular hole), but I am not familiar with the material?  I did not take a picture but have plenty of time to dig into it in more detail when I get the boat home.  Your references are very useful to mfg a new tank, which I appreciate you sharing this information.  If there are any additional insights you can share, it would certainly be appreciated!?  I will definitely be designing in protection around this fitting/hose connection point with my repair/design!  Thanks

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