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jmcmonagle

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primary winch lead and other issues.
« on: November 21, 2016, 08:37:21 PM »
My only cockpit winches are in the usual primary position in the front of the cockpit.
Have a few issues:
With the 150% jenny the lead is near the aft stanchion.
The lead is too low.
Much of the time when I move the car need to re-route the sheet.
The sheet goes through part of the dodger so I need to leave it partially unsnapped when sailing.
The winch handle also hits the dodger strap and the dodger if it was not unsnapped.

See 2 solutions:
1. Move winches back to about where a secondary winch would be.
From there could trim while at helm.
Lead wouldn't be perfect but much better.
Would have to fix holes or possibly put in a secondary winches in that spot.

2. Put in turning blocks,
Redo dodger to get rid of strap.
Trim dodger a little to clear handle. Will not take much.

Any thought thoughts on this?
Any other way to fix it?

John
 

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Re: primary winch lead and other issues.
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2016, 09:38:34 AM »
Dodger is not installed in this pic, but you can see the attachment points forward of the primary winch.  As you can see, the sheet runs outboard from the lead block, to a turning block.  Sheet comes inboard aft of the aft-most lifeline stanchion.  No interference with dodger when it is in place.  Is a turning block such as I have here what you are thinking about?

Granted, the head-sail here is 130, but this rig worked fine when I did have and use a 155% and had the lead block further aft.

Sorry if I just don't seem to understand the problem.

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Re: primary winch lead and other issues.
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2016, 08:10:30 PM »
Yes that is one of the fixes I'm considering.
Looks good.
My dodger problems are fixable but who ever designed the dodger was not thinking about sailing.

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Re: primary winch lead and other issues.
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2016, 09:57:09 AM »
I had the pleasure of meeting the canvas guy for Pearson and Bristol Yachts.
The boats were designed without the slightest concern for a dodger.
Dodgers were rare back then. Custom and expensive.

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Re: primary winch lead and other issues.
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2016, 01:32:20 PM »
In the photo, the turning block used is where I usually run my asymmetrical sheet. Using the set up depicted here, how do you rig your spinaker sheet?

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Re: primary winch lead and other issues.
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2016, 10:01:13 PM »
Good point, Bill.  If I had any sort of spinnaker, I would have to do something different.  Since I don't, running the headsail sheet from the lead block back to the turning block works nicely for me.

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Re: primary winch lead and other issues.
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2016, 05:42:20 PM »
I had the pleasure of meeting the canvas guy for Pearson and Bristol Yachts.
The boats were designed without the slightest concern for a dodger.
Dodgers were rare back then. Custom and expensive.
The main thing I like about a dodger is you can keep the companionway open in the rain.
With the traveler where it is the coverage is not as good as I like.
Doesn't bother me enough to get me to move the traveler :-)

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Re: primary winch lead and other issues.
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2016, 06:04:14 PM »
In the photo, the turning block used is where I usually run my asymmetrical sheet. Using the set up depicted here, how do you rig your spinnaker sheet?

I have an asymmetrical spinnaker.
It's part of the considerations but I'm not racing.
Last year I just lashed a blocks to the stern pulpit.
Worked but  clumsy with only one set of winches.
I swapped the primary and secondary winch on my tartan 30.
It was convenient to trim jib while at helm ( tiller).
Anybody trim jib with a winch further aft?