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Two Questions From A New Member
« on: December 07, 2020, 10:37:59 AM »
Hello All. I've been reading this site, which is a great resource, for a couple of months now and recently registered for the forums. I've been sailing since 1976 and am almost finished restoring a 1974 O'Day 23-1 which I will moor on Lake Champlain in VT/NY. In a few years I hope to move to a larger boat which I will moor on Champlain but which I also may take down the ICW to Florida and then over to the Bahamas.

I'm most interested, right now, in the P323 but am also looking at the Endeavor 32. Regarding the first, I had a couple of specific questions.

1. What is the sitting headroom, under the boom, in the cockpit?
2. What is the length and width of the double berth which the starboard settee can be converted to?

Many thanks.
« Last Edit: December 07, 2020, 10:39:58 AM by sreidvt2021 »
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2020, 02:12:20 PM »
I am spending a few days on the boat this week, so I'll take measurements. But I would point out that the boom is short, and so has never been an issue on our 323.

Also, fwiw, the berth on the port settee is wider than the settee, as there is a panel underneath which slides out to provide additional width. Only a few inches, but makes a big difference as a regular settee is a bit narrow for sleeping!

I have not been on an Endeavor32, but a few differences I spotted:
- the 323 does not have a quarterberth (personally I prefer a deep locker to a small quarterberth!)
- 323 has a nice chart table (for me, that big plus which I constantly use)
- the head/shower is dealt with very differently
- 323 has a skeg - some like, some help. Protects the rudder, makes backing up trickier

AS ever, the biggest factor in any new purchase is the condition of the boat!

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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2020, 06:43:11 PM »
Thank you very much, Selene, for the reply and for the measurements later this week. I’m especially curious about the measurements of the converted SB double berth. Much appreciated.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2020, 06:53:11 PM »
Double berth, stand side, is 6' x 3'1" to the pole mid-table. Some boats remove the pole, giving another 6". I left the cushions in place, they are about 3" thick, it would be tedious removing them!.

Fwiw, the port side Beth is 6' x 2'2".

I'm anchoring out next few days, so can take additional measurements if required.

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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2020, 09:05:08 AM »
Thank you very much Selene. I really appreciate that. If you get a chance, would you measure the length of the v-berth on center and its width at the aft end?
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2020, 07:13:41 PM »
Okay, here we go....76" deep, 72" wide. Tip: fitted sheets make it much nicer! Made my own....

Also boom: comes 2' into the cockpit (approx). 5'3" above seating, 6'7" above cockpit sole.

Bear on mind the traveller is just abaft the bridge deck, so the boom only sticks a foot or so above the seating area (when centered).

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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2020, 11:13:13 PM »
That's very helpful, Selene, thank you. I hope you are enjoying your time on the boat. It must be nice to be able to sail in December.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2020, 12:12:34 PM »
Thanks, it is! A very pleasant 4-day cruise in San Francisco Bay. Winds are often light this time of year, with barely any movement overnight, so I slept well.  But despite some motoring at times, I had a solid 8kn one day (pity there was 2.5kn of current against me, took a while to get anywhere) and a lively 14kn+ another day, which was great fun. A bit chilly, though. I had to wear a sweater :-)

Good luck with your boat search.

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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2020, 09:13:07 PM »
Thank you. Again, I appreciate you taking the time to help with this. Happy Holidays.

What kind of current were you running with to hit 14 knots? Wow.

Earlier you wrote:

"Double berth, stand side, is 6' x 3'1" to the pole mid-table. Some boats remove the pole, giving another 6". I left the cushions in place, they are about 3" thick, it would be tedious removing them!."

Are the cushions you mention the ones that are fixed to the walls at the forward and aft ends of the berth? If yes, does that mean the starboard berth measures 6' long from forward wall backrest cushion to aft wall backrest cushion? If that's the case, can we estimate that the actual length from forward wall to aft wall (of the starboard berth) might measure about 6'6" without the backrest cushions? If so, that would be great news.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2021, 10:12:29 AM »
Just to add my 2 cents. If you remove the cushions from both ends of the berth you gain about 6 inches in total length. When using either port or star settee berth, you can also remove the back cushions and gain some more width. We usually crash in the salon to sleep so to toss the extra cushions into the vberth is really not that big of a deal. In regards to the v-berth, I'm 6 ft tall and there is plenty of room up there.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2021, 06:25:50 PM »
Thanks for the reply, Michael. So putting all this information together we have, with backrests removed, a length of 6’6” and a width of 3’4” (to the pole) or 3’10” with pole removed. Aft of the mast I am guessing that I could build out the berth to a width of about 54” and still leave about 12” of width in the passageway with the bed expanded out. Does that sound right? I would build a berth extension that would pull out a bit at night and then be retracted by day (as I did for my current boat).

Happy New Year.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2021, 01:50:53 PM »
It sounds about right.

Something to think about, if you are walking through a 12 inch space that's about shin/knee height and the boat should pitch and you fall to your side, you are going to break your leg or blow out your knee. There isn't enough room for the leg to follow the body in a fall.

Looking  forward to seeing pics on what you build.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2021, 08:41:41 PM »
Hi Michael,

That’s an interesting thing to consider. Certainly a wider passageway is safer than a narrow one even if the latter didn't lead to shin or knee injuries. Naturally, the berth would be extended only when the boat was moored, docked or at anchor. But we know that boats still move a lot in those situations.

As I wrote earlier it will be a few years before I move to a larger boat but I think a P323 might work well for what I have in mind. I am researching and planning now to figure just what I want to do then. I would work on the boat at home (as I've done with my current boat) and then launch.

I think the P323 drawing below (which I've been using as I think through various aspects of the boat) is roughly to scale with each graphing square scaling to about 6" square in life. By the scaling, it looks like I'd have about 51" of width if the double berth came out flush with the port edge of the starboard bulkhead. That would leave 18" (the width of the head doorframe) between the double berth and the port settee. I don't expect to use the stock extension available on the port settee. Does this all seem match up to the space you see in your boat?

I appreciate the feedback.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2021, 12:59:00 PM »
I have hull # 108 which is a 1978. It's laid out like the picture. I will be at the boat this weekend. I'll try to measure some stuff out for you if I remember.
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Re: Two Questions From A New Member
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2021, 01:22:09 PM »
Great, thanks Michael. Out of curiosity, does your 1978 have the propane lockers in the cockpit?
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