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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2018, 09:19:07 AM »
Thanks!
Would 4 feet be enough?

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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2018, 01:01:08 PM »
...Next question about the whisker pole; do y'all have the pad eye on a movable car on a track like you would a spinnaker, or do you have a fixed pad eye?...

Ours has a pair of fixed pad eyes, one on each side of the mast, just above the gooseneck, and no track on the mast.  I've always assumed that was OEM.   ???

Here's a pic from our 2013 mast-rebuild project showing one of them.
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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2018, 02:22:52 PM »
Mine looks just like the setup pictured in SeaFever's post. 

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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2018, 11:15:57 AM »
Mine also looks just like the setup pictured in SeaFever's post.  Very useful with different sail geometries.  In summer, we have brisk winds - 20-25kn - so I use a high-cut 90% blade.  In winter (yes, California, so we sail all year!) I fly my big genoa, clew a lot lower.  The track makes adjustment easy.

From memory, 4' sounds about right.

I also keep the pole on the stanchions. Less windage, easy to deploy.  I had to make a small bracket aft (parts from Sailrite) so the pole did not rub against the chainplates. Seems to work well.

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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2018, 11:00:52 AM »
Thanks for the confirmation on the track length and the stanchion mount!
I have a lead on a used pole and my Husband reminded me that I can use the pole car off of his Cal 227!
Hopefully this will fall into place before our next big race in April.
I appreciate each of you!!!
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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2018, 02:55:12 PM »
I have been offered a forespar 7-15 for $200.00
The specs say we should have a 10-18.  I have a furling headsail with a maximum of 142%.
Will the 3 feet make a difference?
Thanks for all of your help!
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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2018, 12:02:55 PM »
Hard to say with that big genoa.  As a rule of thumb the pole length should match your foot length, but it may be worth a try at that price.
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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2018, 10:32:45 PM »
Spinnaker pole or whisker pole if racing can not be any longer than 100% of  the J. Pearson 323 J is 13.83 feet, which is about 13 feet 9 inches .  I carry a  4" diameter pole at  13 feet  6" for both wing and wing , and spinnaker runs.  I also        carry a forespar adjustable pole 2" in diameter,  7 feet and extend to  no more than 13 feet 9 inches per phrf rules.  I will use it in light winds no more than 8 mph winds , according to Bill M  from forespar with that small diameter. Any thing heavier chance of bending it.  Great price at $200 dollars.                                                                                                                    Bob K CHANCE hull 10  1977 owner 41 years

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Re: what whisker pole to get?
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2018, 01:01:37 PM »
Thanks! Pole is being shipped today.  I appreciate everyone's help. I am very relieved that the consensus is that a 15 foot pole should be susificent.  Our next race is on April 21st, We need to put the track on the mast, but hopefully that is something we can do after work.

FYI, several of you have commented that "it is illegal to use a pole over the J of the boat while racing."
As a US Sailing National Judge, I feel compelled to comment on that statement.
The only time a "pole" is mentioned in the Racing Rules of Sailing is in 50.3 (c) and it says that " a headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker pole or a whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not already set."

The PHRF rules limit a spinnaker pole to the length of J but, (at least on my lake) there are no limitations to the size of the whisker pole. Your PHRF folks may be much meaner than ours.

Thanks again!
Edith